Tenshinhan vs Goku is basically these last two tournament fights I mentioned turned up to 11. and they get them trough their fighting, trough countering eachothers techniques and coming to understand where the other comes from by seeing who they are as martial artists. Both characters get arcs and development. Chun gives us a sense of familiarity, with a goal we already understoond from the last tournament. Tenshinhan vs Jackie Chun, again, an amazing fight, with compelling drama. There is a progression to the struggle and it makes the situation escalate in a much more fulfilling way than, say, when Cell does it to basically everybody. Goku doesn't just throw everything he has in the first minute, Tao tanks it then one-shots him. Goku vs Tao Pai Pai, the most Z-like fight (where a fighter is so greatly outmatched by another that there's nothing his opponent can do) actually has a sense of desperation, of struggle. but on the other you have Jackie Chun, who's main reason for fighting if to teach Goku the ultimate lesson, one that will guide him troughout his ENTIRE development further. The drama is incredibly high: on one hand you have Goku, the main character, who you want to win, who you root and cheer for. Jackie Chun vs Goku is an incredible fight, full of twists and turns, storywise it has everything on the line. There are great fights in Z and the majority are the ones pre-Cell arc, basically pre-Super Saiyan. I think saying that Z's fights are deeper than the original's is a fucking joke. If you care enough about giving DB another shot, maybe check out the Japanese dub. Honestly, it sounds like the dub you watched was a pretty crappy one. We were told that the characters got stronger, but we weren't really shown it. In Z, everyone in the main cast was capable of destroying planets by the end of the Freeza arc, so later fights that featured very little environmental destruction - despite the characters themselves becoming hundreds of times stronger - didn't do a good job of matching that scale. Goku started off not being able to move a giant rock, but by the time he fought King Piccolo, he was strong enough to wipe out whole cities with a ki blast. Power escalation also happened in a more realistic and compelling way in DB. Ki blasts and the like didn't become a regular feature of fighting until the 23rd Budokai. Instead of flurries of punches and kicks that you can barely see, with some ki blasts on the side, people fought using actual martial arts. Kid Goku was a far more likable and endearing protagonist than his adult self the side characters may not have been the heroes, but they got more moments to shine the plot was more coherent and fit together nicely and the fighting as a whole was more captivating and interesting. Both Cell and Boo had some epic moments, but looking back on the arcs as a whole from an adult perspective, I just can't ignore all the stupid shit that happened in them.ĭB, on the other hand, was consistently good or great throughout, and its only real moment of bullshit was the magic water that made Goku strong enough to fight King Piccolo. The Boo arc, on the other hand, was an overly long mess that was way more complicated than it needed to be. The Saiyan and Freeza arcs were great, but the Cell arc was a clusterfuck of plot inconsistencies, retcons, and characters acting beyond retarded. Z, in my opinion, started going downhill after Freeza, and it never picked up after that. Equally high stackes, very similar opponents, better fighting choreography, it's fair share of plot-twists (comparable to that of the 23rd budokay fight) and none of the bullshit. King Piccolo vs Goku was much better in my opinion. The fact that Goku could fly at enough speed to KO Piccolo but he wasted energy with "foot kamehames" during the whole fight.Īnd all the one-time Gimmicks that may be interesting the first time you read it, but they inevitably feel really cheap in the whole context of the series. Goku with a hole in his chest defeating that Piccolo just by falling on him from the sky. Seeing Kami blocking one of Piccolo's fists but then unable to help when Piccolo was completely exhausted. I'm not saying that Piccolo vs Goku is a BAD fight, it had it's qualities as well (Piccolo was a nice antagonist and the fight had it's fair share of turns), but here's the thing, I never buyed it even the first time I saw it as a kid. Who would have the final blow? Who would finally give in? How far can they really go? Those are the kind of questions I can imagine a 1st time viewer having when watching. As the fight went on and both got more worn out, it was still up in the air who would win. ArmenianPepsi wrote:Both characters are dead set on standing their ground no matter what, and are shown to be fairly matched.
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